Flow Processes
William S. Stoertz
September 7, 1996
Moscow, Russia, C.I.S.
(7:18 am)
WS -- Good morning, dear Father. I am sorry I am not so good
at praying. Anyway, I wanted to ask about flow processes in
connection with the Big Bang and with the overall universe in
general.
HF -- The universe is a unified field. Or, rather, there is a
unified field at the level of the entire universe, associated with
the universe, in the sung-sang realm.
WS -- Thank You. How does it move?
HF -- I am the unmoved Mover.
WS -- Yeah, that"s what they said (Aristotle, Thomas Aquinas).
HF -- It"s true, I AM.
WS -- You are the absolute center and foundation of the stable
universal sung-sang realm, centered on which the hyung-sang
phenomena move.
HF -- Yes.
WS -- In a bowl of soup, I saw the whole universe. I saw that
the whole universe is like a bowl of soup, in which the bubbles
moving around on the top are like stars and galaxies in the
universe. Several ways: first of all, they all flow in relation to
one another. Secondly, there is an edge, but, when you go out to
the edge, the bubbles don"t keep going further, but gently move
around toward the side, in a circular motion. But, at the same
time, the soup washes up a little bit up the side of the bowl,
with the momentum of the flow, in a gentle, slight expansion. Is
that like the universe?
HF -- Yes, you can see the whole universe in a bowl of soup.
WS -- Why do I bother You so much?
HF -- (smiling) You can"t do any better.
WS -- Why can You have a parental heart, Who are living
within me, and yet I cannot embody that same parental heart?
HF -- It is within you. You become the embodiment of that
which is within you.
WS -- Why can"t I realize it/that?
HF -- That is the process of growth or perfection?
WS -- Why am I so accused or disrespected for consulting
You?
HF -- Because you don"t tell or come up with the orthodox
teaching.
WS -- Is that bad?
HF -- Yes.
WS -- Then why do You tell me these things?
HF -- Because it"s true.
WS -- Then why is it bad?
HF -- What is 7bad*?
WS -- What goes against the purpose of the leading sovereignty
or spirit of the time.
HF -- That"s why it"s bad. But it"s not wrong.
WS -- What about the other definition of bad? That which
damages the fulfillment of the God-centered four-position
foundation.
HF -- Are you damaging?
WS -- The fulfillment of the family. The witnessing providence,
restoring spiritual children. Tribal Messiahship. Restoring
Russia. Building one nation under God.
HF -- So? You make the verdict.
WS -- It is an auxiliary, admittedly not central, providence.
HF -- But you sought. And, honestly, you didn"t relate to Me
otherwise.
WS -- Yes, I"m relating to You directly and honestly. What is
with witnessing?
HF -- I go out to the people, and I know how to relate to them.
You are a stranger to them. I come to them on their own terms.
Can you do that?
WS -- Someone would say that"s not witnessing.
HF -- See who brings the best results.
WS -- Then why do You have us do this?
HF -- Try any other way.
WS -- In the working place, or among friends, or contacts...
HF -- Yeah; actually it is still the same thing.
WS -- So, what is the best way?
HF -- Show a good example, that others can admire. A superb
example. Do great things.
WS -- How about Unified Field Theory?
HF -- That may be one reason I am inspiring this quest; but
there are other ways to testify of True Parents through your
works, your life, your character, your giving.
WS -- We tried speaking to people -- the President, the
Patriarch, the teachers and professors, the Ministry, the parents,
through the media...
HF -- So when that doesn"t work, you stop speaking, and start
doing good things.
WS -- Jesus was in a fix, wasn"t he? (a difficult situation, trying
to do miracles to win people"s heart and allegiance)
HF -- Yes, I"ll say. It wasn"t My desire, that it happened that
way.
WS -- How did that happen? That Jesus was rejected.
HF -- Well, you know. Elizabeth didn"t welcome Mary in
Zechariah"s house. And then the rest. Joseph didn"t welcome
and support Jesus, born of the virgin Mary. Then the scribes
and Pharisees picked up on that. Oh, also, John the Baptist
wasn"t clearly taught about who was Jesus. You know the
story.
WS -- How did it happen, that Jesus went to do miracles?
HF -- He tried not to. But it was like a total desert. Anyway, he
loved the people, and he wanted to serve them.
WS -- Was that humanistic?
HF -- Jesus had too much the sense that he was fulfilling
prophecy. But that was the expectation back then. It was like a
rut. (You can"t get out, to the side, but just keep going back and
forth in the worn path, which gets deeper and deeper, and you
get stuck). Yes, the foundation of humanism also can be found
in Jesus" love. He was also a doctor and a healer.
WS -- So the people became stuck on the healing.
HF -- The human body is also like the universe. With a unified
sung-sang. Jesus knew that. That"s how he healed.
WS -- So he focused on that, and the providence was becoming
tangled up.
HF -- Father has a much grander, refined, detailed view of the
Providence.
WS -- What happened when Jesus prayed? On the
mountaintop, didn"t he receive or see a clear view of the whole
situation?
HF -- He knew where he was, and who he was, and what
would happen if he was not accepted, which did happen. But he
didn"t have a strategy for world salvation. Father organized that.
You can see him doing it now. It is all very clear, and coming
home now, coming to its conclusion, after forty or fifty years of
work. I haven"t seen anything like that before!
WS -- So, I came to You to ask You about flow processes.
HF -- You came to Me, which You rarely do. Of course, but it
is so elementary. It is like, 7Of course.* Let"s see, what were
you exactly going to ask?
WS -- At the Big Bang, all things emanated from one point.
What type of flow is that?
HF -- As you know, the 7One Point* is not physical, but the
existence of God, which is both infinitely small, like a point,
and infinitely large, embracing all, being everywhere at the same
time. So, at the Big Bang, from that 7one point* emanated, in
imaginary space-time, the projections of all the particles which
were to make up the emerging universe. What were they
projected upon? A mathematical, or imaginary, spherical
volume of, again, mathematical or imaginary space-time.
WS -- With what trajectory or momentum?
HF -- The particle definitions, as they appeared out of
imaginary space-time into real space-time, is defined according
to the particle. Some are at the speed of light; some have real
kinetic mass-energies.
WS -- That is flow.
HF -- Yes: flow out from a center. Now, the momentums don"t
need to be radiating out from one center. It is a sphere with
volume, and, within that, they appear with all kinds of energies
and momenta (directions). So, as the physicists say, it could
well be described as a particle soup. See? There is your soup.
WS -- Then what defines the expansion?
HF -- The speed of light, of course. Now, get this: the light, or
photons, itself, can"t just radiate out into nothing. There has to
be an object partner, as with all particle-mediated interactions.
So it is when the mass itself, or matter, or massive particles,
radiate (expand) outwards, that the space itself expands,
enveloping them, encompassing them, as is happening today, at
this very moment, throughout the universe. Then light rays
bounce around among them (measuring space, by the way). So,
it is rather, again, like a soup, which is expanding physically.
Not quite at the speed of light. It is physical objects.
WS -- What keeps it going, to expand indefinitely, for 13
billion years, without running out of momentum, and
collapsing?
HF -- Escape velocity. A fine balance. I did that too. You see,
the particles in the initial 7soup* are not just peacefully flowing
around. No; it was very hot, and more explosive than the most
violent explosion. They were traveling outward as fast as they
possibly could. Still, there was give-and-take among them.
WS -- What if this all proves one day to be a bunch of
nonsense?
HF -- (smiling) Well, you figured out something, didn"t you?
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